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  1. Hi Steve, Thanks. Finding that file was huge. I had a day devoted to converting from the Scrivener multi-file version to the single text file version. I still had the RTF files I used to create it, but there was still a bunch of clean up time saved. The conversion result was well worth it. That Option key combined with the file menu will be a big help. (I'm beginning to think I don't know enough to know how much I don't know about the Mac and the conventions common in the software, but I'll get there.) Fitch
  2. To drop the other foot, I restructured the book to be all in one text file like the Novel Templet suggests. With that done, the word count works like it should in outline view, sums to each level of the story structure and makes it very easy to understand the situation in the story. A really nice feature is that it's live so the changes to chapter word counts cause by rearranging scenes is immediately evident. Fitch
  3. Where does Storyist save versions? If I want to go find an old version using Finder, where do I look? Foolish question as it turned out. The User's Manual clearly explained that versions are part of the OS X backup system. I asked because I nearly lost all my effort creating the one file version of my Novel. I'd saved it a couple of times, I write down the file names on a piece of paper and where I put them. That file was nowhere to be found. It didn't appear in the versions from yesterday either, so probably it was operator error. I thought I had saved it more than once. I had an untitled4.story file that turned out to have an almost finished version of the document. I found that this morning, so I saved 95% of the effort. I notice that Word for Mac has the familiar (to a long time PC user) "Save As" feature which allows saving under a new name, in a different location, and even as a different file type. The Mac native SW doesn't appear to have this feature. Storyist doesn't have it. It allows me to rename a file but it's the same file under the same name, not a new copy under a different name. Apparently to get the equivalent of a ]"Save AS" + new name] I need to go to Finder, create a duplicate which will have the same filename with (Copy) inserted into it. Then open that copy in Storyist, change the name, and save it. I didn't find the option to rename it in Finder. WriteWay gave me the option to save a time stamped copy of the document file in the directory of my choice. I liked that feature. Versions is clearly an attempt to implement a similar feature but it doesn't give the user the same level of control that saving a time stamped "Snap Shot" file does. Thanks Fitch
  4. This morning, when I was working through the project view of my old 'wrong' Scrivener multi-file import typing in chapter numbers, I got the Rotating Beach Ball (RBB). It came out of nowhere. I thought it might stop. After five minutes I decided to give it some time to see what would happen because my wife called out that breakfast was ready. I don't know how long it lasted. It was still spinning after breakfast but it had stopped by the time we got back from feeding the horses. So it lasted more than ten minutes but less than 75 minutes. I'm beginning to regard the RBB much the same as the infamous Blue Screen of Death that infuriates PC users. The problem might be the file structure in that Storyist file - it's the bazillion file Scrivener Import. I'll see if it happens again with my new, only slightly un-orthodox, single text file document structure. Fitch
  5. Hi Steve, I got the indent I wanted in the Project view. It makes it much easier for these old eyes. I changed the style for my modified (all text, no # symbol) section separators from Heading level 1 to Heading level 2. Now they are very easy to see in the Project view and format as desired in the manuscript. It appears they still separate the body text in the sections. I now have the whole thing in a single text file. When I split vertically and switch outline mode in one of the windows, I get the word count totals you mentioned. I am also seeing a very nice view in the Project window with all my section headers showing as indented text since I formatted them as heading level 2. The document should now be much easier to export since it's all in one text file. Fitch
  6. Hi Steve, I dragged the file in from Finder, as suggested. Doesn't make any difference, drag/import, the result is the same. The body text bullet is and was checked. Checked, unchecked, makes no difference. I reformatted the rtf file to have the section separator paragraph to include the text I wanted as a section header instead of the # symbol. That text showed up in the project view, but it needs to be indented from the chapter headings in the project view or it's very confusing to look at, especially with the microscopic default text size. (On my 5K monitor it measures 0.051" tall). I can read it, but the indent would really help. OS X applications seem to have an inordinate fixation on teeny tiny text. Storyist isn't the only one. But it's the one I look at the most, at least at the moment. I can use one application of Command + to make this forum big enough to be pleasant to look at. Fitch
  7. Hi Marguerite, Thanks for the pictures and description. They help. I tried to like your post, but it said I'd exceeded my quota of positive comments. Since that was my first 'like' I have to wonder what the criteria is. The Scrivener import does indeed look familiar. That is how my novel looked when this thread started. I modified the styles in the Novel Template to add a Section Header style. Then saved it as a custom template in Storyist. I exported the manuscript text in the modified Novel Template to an RTF file, then imported it into MS-WORD. It took me about forever but I managed to capture the styles in word and then modify them to get rid of the "WORD-KNOWS-BEST" changes it kept making to them. I saved the document with those styles as a WORD Template. Next, I exported my novel to one large, rather messy, RTF file through Scrivener using the compile process (I'm not a fan of the Scrivener User Interface). Spent most of the day getting the WORD file formatted and the styles that were based on Storyist applied to all the appropriate paragraphs. It was not difficult, just drudgery. While I was at it I numbered the chapters. Then I opened a new project in Storyist. I tried several ways to import. First I tried to import it into the manuscript document itself. That failed spectacularly. The library of styles changed to some mysterious collection with a default of Helvetica and lots of headlines but not the styles I though I had. Everything in my imported file was body text. Deleted it and started again. This time with my reformatted novel saved as a .docx document. Fail. It looked even worse and still had the wrong style list. Went up stairs for a cup of coffee and went for a three mile attitude adjustment walk. When I returned, I deleted the whole manuscript part of the newly opened project and imported my RTF file to the entity labeled 'Project'. That word a heck of a lot better. I actually got chapters and # for sections to show in project for the first time. Coincidentally, the list of styles was also correct. Why this didn't happen when I imported to the Manuscript that I took the styles from is a huge mystery. So I get the contents of the Chapter Title paragraph to show in the Project window but only the # for sections. My next activity is to figure out what I have to do to have the section show up as a meaningful heading in the list in Project as well as to have it show up slightly indented from the Chapter in the Project list, assuming that's possible. I have experimented with formatting my section headings as section separators, after import, and that places that sentence in the Project listing. I need to see if I can do that in the RTF file and still have it import properly. Fitch
  8. Hi nen1000, I think you have a valid point. I learned, today, my novel in storyist is not structured as Storyist was designed to be used. It was imported from Scrivener. Each chapter is a folder, each scene is a text file. That doubtless explains a lot of the differences between what I'm experiencing and what would happen were it properly structured. I have a lot of work to do to get it properly structured, but I think it will be worth it in the long run. This thing is closing in on a rough draft. It's going to go through a lot of revision and editing. It would be good to start that process with it structured properly in the software. Fitch
  9. Hi Steve, Thanks for the suggestion. Exporting the file from the template to WORD to get the styles to match is a great idea. Then I can save that WORD file, with the styles that match Storyist exactly, as a Template to use for creating files that will import to Storyist, or I think I should be able to. Worth a try anyway. The key to understanding Storyist, at least the Novel Template, which isn't well explained anyplace, is the fact that the document is managed by using styles. That styles are used to create the chapter/scene structure seen in Project. Now that I understand that, it's a lot clearer how to use it. That wasn't stated explicitly anyplace that I looked. But it's the vital bit of knowledge. I've had two Storyist crashes, both times when I was messing with the outline in the right hand window of the vertical split with it set to outline mode and manuscript (text) in the left window. Both times I was messing with the structure of the outline - moving things around. I don't honestly know exactly what I was doing when it crashed. It just stopped working. When it does it again, I'll try to be a better witness. Fitch
  10. I thought i was doing okay, tried to add a section in the outline and the application crashed. I was working in the Novel template as my laboratory. Scratching head ... Fitch
  11. I don't know why this is so hard for me to get my head around. I may be seeing the light. Let me keep this simple, for me, so I don't get lost in the complications. First: Write or wrong, after 3 years of WriteWay and 6 months of Scrivener, my instinct was to use a folder for each chapter, a text file for each scene. Not because there were underlying file structure reasons, just because that looked familiar. In Scrivener they were folders, in WriteWay they looked and acted like folders. i don't know if they were or not. I didn't need to know to use WriteWay. In both Scrivener and WriteWay, Chapters were on one hierarchical level in the equivalent to the 'Project' view, the scenes on a subordinate level under their chapter. Folder and text file look, in Storyist, like chapters and scenes in WriteWay and Scrivener. However, with your explanation, and Marguerite's, (sorry to be so hard to help, but nowhere is this explained with the clarity that is in this thread, I think the light came on. I opened a new project with the novel template. Clearly, the entity that is labeled "My Manuscript" isn't a folder. A folder is blue. It isn't. It's a container of some sort, it looks like a little gray box, not like a text sheet. What is it? A text sheet? Edited to add: It is a text sheet. I discovered that when I highlighted it and looked at it in outline mode. It way, it's a Text file. If it is, then, based on it's behavior, the document management in Storyist is done with styles: Let me explain what I mean by that and then point out where I'm going wrong. A chapter style in Storyist has properties like an outline heading in MS-WORD, a Chapter folder in Scrivener and a chapter entity (I don't know what it is) in WriteWay. If a Chapter Style is moved, it takes with it all subordinate text, and all subordinate sections and their text. I tried this in the Novel Template and it behaved that way. I'm going to resist going further, to sections, until I get confirmation I'm on the right track. If I am on the right track, I have questions about section styles. Can they be reformatted to look like a scene heading as long as they are still called the Section style? In other words, can I reformat the section style to be a paragraph that is left, zero indent, Courier, Bold, 12 pt and have it behave like a section as long as it's called a section break in the style sheet? I may have discovered what headings are for - scene titles being one use. More experimentation is called for. Thanks Fitch
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    Thank you all very much. I'm not sure I understand what I know about it, but I'm making progress. Fitch
  13. Hi Marguerite, I want my document separated into chapters and scenes in Storyist. I worked that way in Scrivener and WriteWay. In both WriteWay and Scrivener I was able to export (compile in the case of Scrivener) the entire novel as one large RTF or MS-WORD file (both worked just fine). From Scrivener it was a bit of a mess, but from WriteWay it was complete, chapter numbered, and properly formatted. I had hoped that Storyist could do that. It can't, but Steve has indicated it's on his list of features to implement. WriteWay would import and split the WORD file into chapters and scenes. In Scrivener it's harder, one has to use the split feature. If I was going to write the whole novel as one file, I'd just use WORD with the chapters as outline headings. One of the big features of programs like Storyist, Scrivener, and WriteWay, is being able to see, organize, and manipulate the document as chapters and scenes, and have character and research data readily available in the same on-screen environment. With the vertical editor split writing from the outline is a piece of cake. Fitch
  14. Hi Nick, Thanks. I'm definitely new to Macs (two weeks this coming Monday). I still have two PC's active. The CMD+Alt+Esc equivalence to Ctrl+Alt+Del is good to know. I rebooted a second time after I got things cleaned up. It's been fine since. That said, I confess to aberrations in pulse and respiration every time that confounded color wheel starts rotating on the screen. Storyist does that to me every now and then. It goes away after a few minutes, but it's really annoying and I've no clue how to avoid it. I didn't lose any data. Fitch
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    Hi Marguerite, Are you saying that if I have my novel in one big MS-WORD file, have the word chapter at the front of each chapter, and a section separator ahead of each scene (that i want to be a separate text document in the chapter, then save it as an RTF file, Storyist will import with the chapters as folders and the sections indented beneath them, like a Scrivener file imports? That's exactly how WriteWay Professional (that I've been using for the last 3 years) imports word or RTF files. I gotta try that. Fitch
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    You could do it using the outline feature in the original character based WORD as well. That early version of WORD also had a fantastic "Glossary" function. My wife was a school teacher, she used that to create the awards certificates (~300 of them) for a whole middle school in about two hours. I thought they destroyed a lot of what Made WORD unique when they came out with the Windows version. Fitch
  17. Hi Nick, The only difference between how you and me run Storyist is the words in the story. I'm using it the exact same way. The same except, I only see the word count from what ever chapter is selected. I have three columns, Status, Rating, and Word Count to the right of the out line. I did manage to get the total word count to show in the status bar at the very top, but if I have the outline on the Project level folder, or the Manuscript level folder, there are no word counts at all. Show Word Count is checked, but nothing shows up unless I select a particular chapter. Fitch
  18. Hi Steve, This is probably the wrong place for this, but I don't know how to duplicate what it shows in that picture. I have not been able to have the roll up word count show. I've tried everything I can think of but the only word counts that show are those for individual text documents in a folder, the folder total doesn't appear. Ever. Neither does a manuscript total that I've been able to find. Fitch
  19. First, perhaps most important, the fantastic news is that the information was recovered by reverting to the last version from yesterday. I officially LOVE that feature. Now to the problem: I decided I wanted to learn all I could about outlining so I opened the Storyist 3 User's Guide and got to the section on working with outlines on text sheets. I clicked on a text sheet, played with enabling and disabling outlining. I did that with some chapter folders and just generally clicked away trying to learn something. I discovered that somehow, my clicking had deleted the outlining for every text sheet I'd played with. Is this normal? I loaded the previous version and everything was there. (Resume regular respiration and heart rate.) I'm going to rename the file, save it again and see if I can duplicate the deletion but I don't know enough about the program to know what I did that might have caused it. When I tried to save it with a new name I got an interminable rotating color wheel. Trust me on this, that wheel doesn't grow on the user with time. I can say that with certainty because i went up to breakfast, it was still spinning, to the barn and fed the horses, it was still spinning. Storyist wouldn't quit. I did get a force quit option and took it. Edited to add, Storyist seems to have lost it's mind. I tried to restore a previous file, browsed the versions, selected one and now it won't do anything. Won't save, won't delete, won't quit, nothing. I can't even figure out how to get it to force quit. I may have to turn the power off. It's never done this before. After trying everything and being told by the Mac OS that I couldn't shut down because Storyist was blocking it, I finally pulled the plug. Literally. I hate to do that to a computer but I had no choice. When the computer rebooted, storyist was still there, but I was able quit which finally gave me the option to save the file. Whew. This morning has been a struggle. I think I'll go get some coffee. You folks are probably out until tomorrow (good for you). It's working again. Enjoy the Sunday. The problem will still be here tomorrow. I don't think I'm going to experiment with outlining anymore until I understand what happened. I think I'll quite everything and reboot the computer just to make sure it's off to a fresh start. Can't hurt ... I hope. Fitch
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    Hi Orren <with an e > Thanks for the reply and optimism about my state of mind. I went back and edited my original post to take some of the heat out of it - it said zero views so I thought I might have gotten to it before someone replied to it. Alas, I didn't. The styles are really frustrating. It doesn't help that entering "stylesheet" in the search field of Storyist help yields the result that there are no topics on the subject. Help is ... no help. Zero. Zip. Nothing but inane suggestions. <Insert icon that's banging head against wall.> Edited to add: Searching for style in the help file comes up empty too. That's a shame. I worked to follow your 'how to' with the thought that I could create a project as a template (which I was eventually able to figure out - see below)- that failed, however I did succeed in creating a text file template that has all the desired formatting. This is how I did it: I selected file > New > Project. A window opened that offered a selection of templates and directed that I, "Choose a template for your new project:". I clicked on "Blank" to highlight it, then clicked the <Choose> button. (Syntax that duplicates menus is critical to understanding for a new user.) I clicked on "Project" in the upper left corner, right clicked, and did New > Text File. It opened a window that offered text file templates to choose from. I clicked on Scene Text and then the button to choose it. With that selected under project and the inspector set to the paragraph mark, I got a list of styles. I proceeded to edit the individual styles. I started with the Default Style since all the others seem to be variants of that style. I formatted each of the styles to be the way I wanted it. Font, spacing, indents, etc. I did it with nothing but the text sheet selected under project. I ended up with a short list that included Default, Chapter Title, Headings 1 through 3, and Body Text. Then, having done nothing else in the project, I right clicked on the text file and selected the option to save it as a template named "Standard Scene Text." I experienced nearly unbounded joy when I right clicked on "Project" New > Text File, went to "My Templates", picked "Standard Scene Text", and the resulting new text file had all the desired formatting characteristics. I was grinning fit to split a lip at that moment. Then, still having added nothing else to the file, with a heart full of hope, I did File > Save as Template. I expected, at that point, to be able to save the project as a template, "My Novel Template" for example, that had my new standard scene text template attached to it. Alas, that was not to be. there is no option to save a project as a template that I can find. I might be missing it, but I didn't find it. Edited to add: I did find it! I feel like some sort of a deity! I discovered that if I started a new project from a blank template, set up the structure the way I wanted it, I could click on "Project" at the very top of the project outline window on the left, and that gave me the option to save it as a project template. This is huge. It means I can construct templates, or import them from the many scrivener templates I've found on various websites, and save them as Storyist templates. Probably I'm the only Storyist user that didn't already know this, but just in case there is one more out there wandering in the same darkness I was, I had to add this. However, after a few seconds of attitude adjustment facilitated by more coffee, I created a new project using the Blank document template (I haven't figure out how to add my own to that collection of choices ... it may not be possible). I was delighted to learn that when I wanted to insert a new text sheet into this new project, if I clicked on "My Templates", the newly defined "Standard Scene Text" template was available and it did contain the desired formatting. My novel in progress, which was imported from Scrivener, is apparently a hopeless case. I'll just reformat each text file as I get to it. There is apparently no way to apply the "Standard Scene Text" I just created to an existing text file. While the preceding sentence is true, there is a work around. I created a new text file using my template, then used shift+Command+v to paste the text into it with matching styles. At that point, because the number of styles is really only 3 in a normal scene, I just select it all, format it as body text and then apply the heading or title as needed which is usually only one or two paragraphs. That's reasonably quick to do. There is some joy in the fact that I can use it to create new text files. Since I have 6 chapters left to write, I can at least use it for the scenes in those chapters. Fitch
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    I'm new to the program, but I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure out the secret handshakes associated with styles. Where can I go to make changes to the style sheet that will actually take effect and apply to every single new text sheet of the same type? Orrin says edit chapter styles. I can't find chapter styles anyplace. When I go to format > Styles > Change Style Sheet every single choice is greyed out. All of them. In fact I haven't been able to find a single situation when they aren't all greyed out. I think that menu might have part of the solution if I could figure out how to change it so it effects the whole document but that's eluded me so far. I've tried the steps in the Using Styles Sticky. A post that is much appreciated. Sometimes they work. Sometimes they don't. I haven't been able to figure out the secret ingredient to have them always work. Sometimes, when I make the change as suggested, I go to the next text page and select body text, and I'm back to single spaced helvetica. Sometimes I'm not. I haven't figure out how to make the change take effect on body text throughout the document. What I was hoping was that I could change Body text, and then just select all the body text in a scene/section and have it reformat to the new default but I can't reliably make it do that. I see a description in the top window of the inspector that says, body text + courier final draft + other things. That has me thinking part of the problem may be my formatting history, not using the styles correctly to start with. If so, tell me how too change the style sheet for the document away from the default helvetica and single spacing and then I can reformat the sections as I edit them to make them consistent. I notice that Thanks Fitch
  22. Is there a setting to do this? I'm running 10.10.3 and it doesn't do it automatically.
  23. An artificial intelligence based proof reader is a huge programming project. Way more than I'd expect any story development software publisher to accomodate. Storyist text can be copy/pasted into any of the popular online subscription proof readers. They are not nearly as good as a human but they are way better than anything in MS-WORD or that is likely to be able to be practically implemented in Storyist, Scrivener, MS-WORD, or WriteWay Pro, in our lifetime. Fitch
  24. Hi Steve, Sooner is better. IMO: That's the most critical missing feature. I exported to Scrivener (which worked really well) and used that to generate the whole document as an MS-WORD file. I had to touch it up in WORD. It was still a lot faster than copy/pasting 48 chapters, but it seemed 'wrong' that I had to do it that way. Fitch
  25. I used WriteWay Professional for three years. It has a word count report that sums the document at manuscript, act, chapter, and scene levels. It's an amazing tool for balancing the book. I miss it. WWP has a bunch of other features I miss. Alas, there is no Mac version. If I can get it running on this Mac under Parallels I may go back to it. I migrated to the Mac, after using a PC to write since the dual floppy 8088 days (character based MS-WORD with fantastic easy to manage style sheets, writing auto exec.bat files in edlin to customize the boot) to get a reliable quality computer that wasn't under siege by malware terrorists. Parallels would undo part of the reason for going to a Mac. Fitch
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